Bart Ehrman: Gospels not written by eyewitnesses, no Jesus in historical record


Bart Ehrman: Gospels not written by
eyewitnesses, no Jesus in historical record The truth may not be what you were taught, but if it’s true, you should believe it, not run from it. As I studied more and more using my intelligence, as an evangelical but also praying about it, I became convinced that the New Testament gospels were not written by eyewitnesses or by people who knew eyewitnesses. The first point to make is the rather obvious one that the gospels don’t claim to be written by eyewitnesses; they are all anonymous. The titles in your gospels – the Gospel According to Matthew and so forth – were added by later editors. They were not put there by the original authors. Second point: None of the gospels claims to be written by the person whose name it bears. They don’t claim to be written by eyewitnesses and they don’t claim to be written by people named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Those are later traditions that were added to the gospels. These traditions do not start appearing for about a hundred years. Some people think that there is an early Church father named Papias who attests to the witness of Mark and Matthew, but in fact there are very solid reasons for thinking that Papias, who lived around the year 120 to 140, is not referring to our Mark or our Matthew. The first time anybody refers to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John by name is Irenaeus in the year 180. But the unfortunate thing about Jesus is that we have such scanty documentation about his life. Most people don’t realize this, but Jesus is never mentioned in any Greek or Roman non-Christian source until 80 years after his death. There is no record of Jesus having LIVED in these sources! In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references! Let’s recap: There is no non-Christian evidence
from the first century of a “historical Jesus.” So, where is YOUR “historical Jesus,” Dr. Ehrman? Why then did Ehrman “libel” D.M. Murdock/Acharya S
and other mythicists in his book
“Did Jesus Exist?” Fore more information, see:
FreeThoughtNation.com
StellarHousePublishing.com
TruthBeKnown.com

62 Replies to “Bart Ehrman: Gospels not written by eyewitnesses, no Jesus in historical record”

  1. Acharya S/DM Murdock would mop the floor with Bart Ehrman in a debate. They both agree on what he said in this video but, it is odd that just two years later Bart wrote "Did Jesus Exist?" trying to defend a historical Jesus and libeled the mythicists in that book, especially Acharya falsely accusing her of making stuff up as explained here:

    The phallic ‘Savior of the World’ hidden in the Vatican
    http://freethoughtnation.com/the-phallic-savior-of-the-world-hidden-in-the-vatican/

    Bart Ehrman needs to be called out on it.

  2. I think its pretty disgusting how people try to defame you, Acharya. Its too bad people cant just focus on working together. 

  3. Anthony Ennis, all you needed to was simply read all the links in the info box. Why do you have your comments turned off? I couldn't reply to your comment below because there was no "reply" button. You have to allow replies in your preferences.

  4. The Bible is not an historic source since none of the events depicted therein can be coordinated with actual history, and this is especially true of the 'biography' of Jesus.

  5. So, now Bart Ehrman has just admitted that his book contains FALSEHOODS about my work – yet he sneers and mocks me, heaping on the abuse. Nice fellow with such professional integrity! /s

    https://www.facebook.com/AuthorBartEhrman/posts/332385973630452?comment_id=332803603588689&offset=0&total_comments=5

  6. "… The first time anybody refers to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John by name is Irenaeus in the year 180. But the unfortunate thing about Jesus is that we have such scanty documentation about his life. Most people don't realize this, but Jesus is never mentioned in any Greek or Roman non-Christian source until 80 years after his death."

    – Bart Ehrman

    And that was Josephus, which has been acknowledged to be interpolation and forgery by Christians, likely Eusebius in the 4th century.  

    Does Josephus prove a historical Jesus?
    http://freethoughtnation.com/does-josephus-prove-a-historical-jesus/

    "The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth…"

    – The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia

    So then, WHY did Bart Ehrman libel mythicists in his book, "Did Jesus Exist"?

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

    – Upton Sinclair

  7. Bart Ehrman caught in libel and lies?
    http://freethoughtnation.com/bart-ehrman-caught-in-lies-and-libel/

    Bart Ehrman errs again – this time about virgin births
    http://freethoughtnation.com/bart-ehrman-errs-again-this-time-about-virgin-births/

  8. Took me less that 2 minutes to confirm this man is a blatant liar! I'd post more but I find if you catch a person in one lie and can prove it, that is enough. I hate liars!
    The Description of Publius Lentullus

    The following was taken from a manuscript in the possession of Lord Kelly, and in his library, and was copied from an original letter of Publius Lentullus at Rome. It being the usual custom of Roman Governors to advertise the Senate and people of such material things as happened in their provinces in the days of Tiberius Caesar, Publius Lentullus, President of Judea, wrote the following epistle to the Senate concerning the Nazarene called Jesus.

       "There appeared in these our days a man, of the Jewish Nation, of great virtue, named Yeshua [Jesus], who is yet living among us, and of the Gentiles is accepted for a Prophet of truth, but His own disciples call Him the Son of God- He raiseth the dead and cureth all manner of diseases. A man of stature somewhat tall, and comely, with very reverent countenance, such as the beholders may both love and fear, his hair of (the colour of) the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of the Nazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick- In reproving hypocrisy He is terrible; in admonishing, courteous and fair spoken; pleasant in conversation, mixed with gravity. It cannot be remembered that any have seen Him Laugh, but many have seen Him Weep. In proportion of body, most excellent; His hands and arms delicate to behold. In speaking, very temperate, modest, and wise. A man, for His singular beauty, surpassing the children of men"

    The letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar

    This is a reprinting of a letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar describing the physical appearance of Jesus. Copies are in the Congressional Library in Washington, D.C.

    TO TIBERIUS CAESAR:

    A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews — not the poor but the rich and powerful.

    Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having my morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron hand to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb as a guilty culprit, though he was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling, nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day.

    Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken the time to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life, disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offense and as others have said, we must agree — truly this is the Son of God.

    Your most obedient servant,
    Pontius Pilate

    The Emerald of Caesar

     The Likeness of Jesus

    This Likeness of Jesus was copied from a portrait carved on an emerald by order of Tiberius Caesar, which emerald the Emperor of the Turks afterwards gave out of the Treasury of Constantinople to Pope Innocent VIII for the redemption of his brother, taken captive by the Christians.
    "The Archko Volume"

    Another description of Jesus is found in "The Archko Volume" which contains official court documents from the days of Jesus. This information substantiates that He came from racial lines which had blue eyes and golden hair. In a chapter entitled "Gamaliel's Interview" it states concerning Jesus (Yeshua) appearance:

    "I asked him to describe this person to me, so that I might know him if I should meet him. He said: 'If you ever meet him [Yeshua] you will know him. While he is nothing but a man, there is something about him that distinguishes him from every other man. He is the picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, round face. His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from sunburn as anything else. He is tall, and his shoulders are a little drooped; his visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is from exposure. His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather dull and heavy….' This Jew [Nazarite] is convinced that he is the Messiah of the world. …this was the same person that was born of the virgin in Bethlehem some twenty-six years before…"

    – The Archko Volume, translated by Drs. McIntosh and Twyman of the Antiquarian Lodge, Genoa, Italy, from manuscripts in Constantinople and the records of the Senatorial Docket taken from the Vatican of Rome (1896) 92-93
    Josephus, the "Antiquities Of The Jews" 

    This is a quote from Josephus, from his historical first-century writings entitled, "Antiquities Of The Jews," Book #18, Chapter 2, section 3.

    "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."

    Cornelius Tacitus, a Roman historian

    Cornelius Tacitus was a Roman historian who lived circa 56-120 AD. He is believed to have been born in France or Gaul into a provincial aristocratic family. He became a senator, a consul, and eventually governor of Asia. Tacitus wrote at least four historic treatises. Around 115 AD, he published Annals in which he explicitly states that Nero prosecuted the Christians in order to draw attention away from himself for Rome's devastating fire of 64 AD. In that context, he mentions Christus who was put to death by Pontius Pilate.

    Christus: Annals 15.44.2-8

    "Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…"

    Images and Pictures of Jesus

    1. The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha.

    Neither the New Testament nor the writings of the earlier post-Biblical Christian authors have any statements regarding the personal appearance of Jesus, thus contrasting sharply with the Apocrypha and the Pseudepigrapha and especially with the works of the Gnostics. In the "Shepherd" of Hermas (ix. 6, 12) the lofty stature of the Son of God is emphasized, and according to the Gospel of Peter he even towered above the heaven at his resurrection. Gnostic influence is betrayed by visions in which Christ appears as a shepherd, or the master of a ship, or in the form of one of his apostles, as of Paul and of Thomas, or again as a young boy. In the Acts of Andrew and Matthew he assumes the figure of a lad, and the same form is taken in the Acts of Peter and Andrew, in the Acts of Matthew, and in the Ethiopic Acts of James. Manazara is healed by a youth in the Acts of Thomas, and a beautiful lad appears to Peter and Theon in the Actus Vercellensis, which also mentions the smile of friendship in the face of Jesus. A handsome youth with smiling face appears at the grave of Drusiana in the Acts of John, but certain widows to whom the Lord restored their sight saw him an, aged man of indescribable appearance, though others perceived in him a youth, and others still a boy. The youthfulness of Christ is also mentioned in the life and passion of St. C棩lus and the vision of Saints Perpetua and Felicitas ascribed to the risen Christ the face of a youth with snow-white hair.

    2. The Church Fathers.

    The early Christian authors were by no means concordant in their opinions of the personal appearance of Jesus. Some, basing their judgment on Isa. Iii. and liii., denied him all beauty and comeliness, while others, with reference to Ps. xlv. 3, regarded him as the most beautiful of mankind. To the former class belong Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Basil, Isidor of Peluaium, Theodoret, Cyril of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Cyprian. Origen declared that Christ assumed whatever form was suited to circumstances. It was not until the fourth century that Chrysostom and Jerome laid emphasis upon the beauty of Jesus. While Isidor of Pelusium had referred the phrase, "Thou art fairer than the children of men" in Ps. xlv. 2, to the divine virtue of Christ, Chrysotom interpreted the lack of comeliness mentioned in Isa. liii. 2 as an allusion to the humiliation of the Lord. Jerome saw in the profound impression produced by the first sight of Jesus upon disciples and foes alike a proof of heavenly beauty in face and eyes. From the insults inflicted upon Jesus Augustine concluded that he had appeared hateful to his persecutors, while actuallly he had been more beautiful than all, since the virgins had loved him.

    3. Other Data.

    The Problem of the life passion of St. C? us, and the external appearance of Jesus possessed but minor interest for the Church Fathers, although the Catholic Acts of the Holy Apostles ascribe to him an olive complexion, a beautiful beard, and flashing eyes. Further details are first found in a letter to the Emperor Theophilus attributed to John of Damascus (in MPG, xcv. 349), which speaks of the brows which grew together, the beautiful eyes, the prominent nose, the curling hair, the look of health, the black beard, the wheat-colored complexion, and the long fingers, a picture which almost coincides with a hand-book on painting from Mt. Athos not earlier than the sixteenth century. In like manner, Nicephorus Callistus, who introduced his description of the picture of Christ (MPG, cxlv. 748) with the words, "as we have received it from the ancients," was impressed with the healthful appearance, with the stature, the brown hair which was not very thick but somewhat curling, the black brows which were not fully arched, the sea-blue eyes shading into brown, the beautiful glance, the prominent nose, but brown beard of moderate length, and the long hair which had not been cut since childhood, the neck slightly bent, and the olive and somewhat ruddy complexion of the oval face. A slight divergence from both these accounts is shown by the so-called letter of Lentulus, the ostensible predecessor of Pontius Pilate, who is said to have prepared a report to the Roman Senate concerning Jesus and containing a description of him. According to this document Christ possessed a tall and handsome figure, a countenance which inspired reverence and awakened love and fear together, dark, shining, curling hair, parted in the center in Nazarene fashion and flowing over the shoulders, an open and serene forehead, a face without wrinkle or blemish and rendered more beautiful by its delicate ruddiness, a perfect nose and mouth, a full red beard of the same color as the hair and worn in two points and piercing eyes of a grayish-blue. 

    These are all NON-Christian sources – they are from authorities.

  9. What I personally find difficult in the extreme to believe is that, the creator of the earth, the land, the sea, the animals, plants, starts, planets, galaxy – the entire universe and everything in it – somehow couldn't contrive a way for a record of his son's life on earth to be even written down reliably until several DECADES after his (alleged) death……

  10. "No Greek or Roman nonchristian sources until 80 years after his death." This includes Flavius Josephus, no? He was a Jew, but also a ROMAN through adoption by the Flavius Vespasian. This, of course, would mean that the Testimonium Flavianum (AJ 18.63-64)  is a forgery, and the Jamesian reference (AJ 20.200) was not original, too.

    Or was Flavius Josephus a Christian? Hahaha. xD

  11. Bart Ehrman seems to have decided to throw away his faith for the money ride. Capitalizing on post modern angst and the shallow thinking of many of the bored nones. Just giving them what they crave. And making himself a portly millionaire along the way. Every time I see him and listen to him I just get the creepy feeling that this guy is plummeting from honesty into a textured and nuanced set of rationalizations to just keep the money pouring in. Not enough that he's angry about having lost his own faith. Now, he actively seeks to destroy the faith of others. Funny how all he is ultimately doing is helping the legitimate doubters properly examine and clarify what the actual tenets of their faith actually are, and providing an escape clause for those who always wanted to hate the idea of God anyway. I've seen it from both sides, having lived in both camps. Clear to me what he is doing. Check into it. His comments don't even begin to include the other sides of very deep arguments. But he is persuasive, like an ambulance chasing lawyer. One thing he is very, very good at, though. Separating the real truth seekers from the lazy, can't be bothereds.

  12. No matter what evidence is shown that Christ NEVER existed, nevertheless for Christians Jesus has to exist. Whatever the cost.

  13. Christianity is basically a Solar Cult ! Before I even was aware of Ehrman and D.M. Murdock I knew that to be the case. So what's the buzz all about ! I guess for 'bozos' who take this 'stuff seriously, it comes as quite a shock when their whole trivial system is all torn apart ! the Frater

  14. bart ehrman says greek or roman  the first being tactius but he is in historical record and it is disputed if the gospels were written by eye witnesses but all scholars simply agree that it was anonymous

  15. what writings josephus had are mostly obscure,after the fact and mention nothing substantially relevant to Christ. There were most likely forgeries and cover ups. Nothing about divinity or crucifixion.Which was the essentials of the Christian cult of its formation.

  16. Amen to this! It is also worth mentioning that Marcus was the most common first name all over the Roman Empire, more common even than John today.

  17. Jesus Christ was one unrighteous gentile Jew who was rejected after only 24 hours in the grave and then he went to hell and is not coming back anytime soon. In fact the first Jesus Christ was replaced with a new gentile Jew who as as wicked as the first. and Just as unrighteous.
    The first thing to realize about the book of John that it is a myth about a crazy gentile Jew that was rejected in Matthew 3 and assigned to hell because of his father the Devil. Beginning in John 1:19 we see that it was written from the false and malicious accout of Matthew 3 where we see much material was missing. In Matthew 3 we see the gentile Jews are the children of the Serpent and that Abraham is not their father and then they are assigned to go to hell and burn forever, but when we get to the book of John we find this crazy gentile named Jesus Christ is going to offer eternal life to whosoever will believe that he is the son of God and that God is his father. In john 1:12 we see that he has the power to make sons of God of all that were perishing in John 3:16.  The biggest fraud came in John 1:29 when the crazy gentile Jew named Jesus came walking up to John the next day, the first of the forty days that the real son of God will be in the wilderness. By this point the myth has begun and the deceiving is going to set in motion one of greatest hoax the world has ever known.By the third Chapter we see that he is going to set forth his evil and wicked manifesto that who so ever believers on him who was sent of his father the Devil. Just because the translators change the case on the letters we fail to treat the word father as the Devil and we will step ahead to chapter four where this crazy gentile Jew who is a psycho is recognized as a gentile Jew by the woman at the well of Jacob. By Chapter four we see that he is demonstrating his demon powers of his father. In the myth, he first traveled 35 miles with his mother and brothers and his disciples during one night through the Judean wilderness arriving at Cana of Galilee in just 12 hours. He then attends a Jewish wedding where his mother is helping at the wedding.  He then does his first demon inspired miracle when he changed the water into wine. It is now day four of the forty days in the wilderness for the Lord and God of Israel and already Jesus has four disciples.Now the record has nothing of him being born of the family of Adam and the Judean house of Judah. Judeans are not Jews for John denied them that right and rejected them as children of the Serpent.Space prevents more details but now we go to the day of Preparation 3 years later. The real son of God has been identified by the Devil at the end of the forty days that he is both Lord and God and yet we have this Jesus Christ about to die for the sins of the world as he was sent by his father, the Devil. Jesus Christ eats the evening meal then go out and DOWN the valley to the brook Cedron where they cross over and enter a garden. Jesus Christ will be betrayed by Judas in a manner not recorded. He shows off his demon powers before he is taken captive. He is taken to the Palace of the gentile Jews where he is tried and sentenced to death. But the gentile Jews are not able to exercise capital punishment and take him to Pilate where he is tried on the day of the day of Preparation where his disciples would not enter the palace for fear of being profaned that they might eat the Passover that evening. While standing before Pilate he reveals that as a gentile Jew that he is not the promised redeemer when he talked to much saying 102 words. He is sentenced to die on the cross. Jesus Christ carries his own cross to the place where he will die for the sins of the world. He is crucified at about noon and he dies at three in the afternoon on the day of Preparation. His body will be prepared according to the custom of the Gentile Jews by Gentile Jews before he is buried and placed in a new tomb.While all this was taking place on the day of the day of Preparation, the learners of Ani the Lord were preparing the upper room for the Passover dinner at the beginning of the Lord's Passover that evening at sundown. Just as Jesus Christ is buried, the Lord and God of Israel enters in to eat the Passover dinner and when they were finished, they sang a song and went out into the night and UP to the mount of Olives where he prayed to his father in heaven three times. It was now the time that he was to die for the right to remarry his divorced wife that he had sold to another and the children of her had sold themselves for nothing to the same one. The Lord Ani was betrayed by Judas with a kiss and he was taken captive and taken to the same Palace of the gentile Jews. After finding false witness, he too was sentenced to death and just as Jesus Christ was taken before Pilate he too was taken before Pilate during the night of the Lord Passover. He would only say two words to reveal once more that he was the promised redeemer of the house of Israel that he had divorced and sold. The Lord was crucified at 9 AM in the morning and many things took place before he cried out to his father in heaven when he cried Why have you forsaken me and with that cry he died for the right to annul the first marriage vows. When he died the earth began to shake and there was a great earthquake and the rocks began to break and the living ones being righteous were aroused and made to stand up among the dead ones. And when they had gathered they went into the city of Jerusalem and Jesus Christ was not among them for he at the moment that the Lord died was rejected for being one unrighteous gentile Jew of his father the Devil and he went to hell where he is today and where he will remain forever in the flames that never go out.The Lord will be aroused and made to stand up among the dead ones after he had annul the first marriage vows and then he became the price demanded to buy back the wife and the Children of her, the sons of God by birth and blood line. He was aroused after three nights and three days in the grave. But a New Jesus Christ will show up in just 12 hours which no one recognized as Jesus Christ. The entire account is noting more than a Jewish myth and the beginning of a HOAX that will deceive the whole world.The next 23 books are all a  part of the myth.Believe in Jesus Christ, the myth and go to hell just like he did. There is no record or any proof that Jesus Christ has saved one soul from hell and not one son of Satan has been converted to a son of God. It was all a fraud and you believed the whole thing in your distorted way of thinking as one rejected by God searching for a way out from beneath the falling wrath of God. God accepts no half breeds from the beginning.  Christians are not acceptable to him for they are nothing more than the children of the Serpent.

  18. The story of Jesus is pretty much the same in many other religions. It's hard enough for people to believe Jesus died and was resurrected, so sure as shit people aren't going to believe in Krishna, or Horus, or any stories of bull-headed gods fighting each other to rule over a throne in the stars. The story has to be reiterated as many times for people to get it. That energy is eternal and the soul is a conduit of negative and positive charges, and the soul is weighed in the end by the energy we emit and intake. Love, kindness, respect, acceptance, forgiveness, truth, etc. is the only path to eternity. Hate, anger, prejudice, rejection, spitefulness. deceit. etc. will always lead to Hell.

  19. You are most definitely misrepresenting Bart's stance… He believes that a historical Jesus existed, that he was a mixed up apocalyptic preacher but religious genius.

  20. If some guy was crucified, declared dead, put in a tomb, then comes out alive and walks around, that would be something people would talk about and historians would note. If 100's of people in this same time frame rose up out of their graves and walked around Jerusalem, that would be indeed extraordinary and historians and writers would write about it. But not a word from not a single Greek or Roman writer living at the time. Sorry Christians, your Jesus joins the pantheon of all the other mythological deities from the many religions that have come and gone through history.

  21. Lies, this man has no evidence for his accusations, the bible is traced back to thousands of manuscripts and archeological finds that prove its accuracy and authority

  22. Stellar House calm down nobody is gonna believe you, its already a historical fact that Jesus existed, source From wikipedia Jesus: Most modern scholars consider Jesus' baptism to be a definite historical fact, along with his crucifixion.[7] Theologian James D.G. Dunn states that they "command almost universal assent" and "rank so high on the 'almost impossible to doubt or deny' scale of historical facts" that they are often the starting points for the study of the historical Jesus

  23. PAKAR YANG SAMA DARI SEKOLAH YANG SAMA DENGAN KESIMPULAN YANG BERBEDA.

    Mengapa pakar yang sama dari sekolah yang sama memiliki kesimpulan dan sikap akhir yang berbeda?
    Bukan dikarenakan Bart Ehrman lebih superior secara akademis.
    Ini lebih pada persoalan titik berangkat (pra paham) dan soal iman.
    Kedua hal ini mempengaruhi semua keputusan seseorang.
    – "Remarkable Robert Dick Wilson" ditulis oleh Christian Courier.
    Dalam berbagai risetnya, Wilson sampai pada kesimpulan sebagai berikut :
    "Saya telah sampai pada pengakuan bahwa tidak ada satu orangpun yang cukup mengetahui untuk menyerang ketelitian Kitab Perjanjian Lama. Setiap saat ketika seseorang yang telah memiliki kemampuan untuk mengumpulkan bersama-sama dokumen bukti yang cukup untuk melakukan investigasi, bahwa fakta biblikal dalam naskah asli memiliki keterujian yang menakjubkan". Demikian tulis Rene Pache dalam "The Inspiration And Authority Of Scripture".

    – Tanggapan Terhadap Buku "Misquoting Jesus" karya Bart Ehrman.
    http://www.academia.edu/8384383/TANGGAPA N_TERHADAP_BUKU_MISQUOTING_JESUS_KARYA_BART_EHRMAN

    – The Bart Ehrman Blog.
    Am I Converting To Islam?
    …. But before you go off to buy the book, let me assure you : in it I DO NOT ANNOUNCE THAT I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A MUSLIM.
    https://ehrmanblog.org/am-i-converting-to-islam/

    – Bart Ehrman explains why he doesn't criticize the Quran, because he's worried that Muslims will kill him if he does.
    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/10/bart-ehrman-explains-why-he-doesnt.html?m=1

    – Perbandingan Sejarah Alkitab Dengan Sejarah Alquran.
    http://ppangabang2.blogspot.co.id/2013/03/perbandingan-sejarah-alkitab-dengan.html?m=1

    – Ditemukan 3.229 kesalahan terjemahan Alquran versi Kemenag RI.
    http://m.voa-islam.com/news/indonesiana/2011/11/01/16541/ditemukan-3229-kesalahan-tarjamah-alquran-versi-kemenag-ri/;

  24. Bart gives the impression he has access to a time machine and seen for himself that the gospels of Matthew and John weren't written by eyewitnesses. Tacitus unambiguously states there were Christians in Rome as early as 64 AD – when witnesses to the Resurrection were still alive in Jerusalem.

  25. This is all based on the assumption that the "anonymous" sources that dated these documents were 100% accurate.
    I understand that there are several non-Christian documents. Do a search for "physical description of Jesus"… you'll see em'
    And I challenge anyone to effectively prove that these documents are not authentic.

    However…
    I submit that man, in all his "high technology" and "super knowledge" can't even tell you accurately what the weather going to be like in 2 hours. How presumptuous to assume dating methods regarding 2000 year old documents are correct.

    For example, for YEARS it was taught by professors that the book of enoch was written about 200 A.D.
    ,,,,
    until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls – which contained the book of Enoch!!! – dated 400-600 years earlier!!!!
    A great big WHOOOOPS!!! So much for "scholars" dating methods!

  26. Tell me more about how Jesus heals the blind with his magic mucus: "He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man’s eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, Do you see anything?" (Mark 18:22-23). Wow–that's disgusting! You couldn't even get into the Avengers with that lame superpower. God in the flesh can't heal blind people without spitting in their eyes? What a load of 🐂💩!

  27. of course Jesus exists. all of these prominent historians have mentioned Jesus Christ in their writings:.Josephus (Jewish historian), Tacitus (Roman historian), Pliny the Younger (Roman politician), Roman historian Marcus Velleius Paterculus Phlegon (freed slave who wrote histories), Lucian (Greek satirist), Celsus (Roman philosopher), Mara Bar Serapion (prisoner awaiting execution), Suetonius, and Thallus. Clement of Rome, 2 Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Martyrdom of Polycarp, Didache, Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas, Fragments of Papias, Justin Martyr, Aristides, Athenagoras, Theophilus of Antioch, Quadratus, Aristo of Pella, Melito of Sardis, Diognetus, the Babylonian Talmud, Epistula Apostolorum, The Essenes, the Gnostic scriptures found in Nag Hammadi, Egypt. Gospel of Peter, Apocalypse of Peter, and. Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Truth, Apocryphon of John, and Treatise on Resurrection

  28. Erhman said there was no greek or roman historical records. There was however a Jewish one Josephus. Also, you can't discount Paul as a witness nor his disciples which are mentioned. And the gap of time is not a compelling argument either.

  29. Dr. Finkelstein, Professor of the Archaeology of Israel in the Bronze and Iron Ages at Tel Aviv University: "Jewish archaeologists have found no historical or archaeological evidence to back the biblical narrative on the Exodus, the Jews’ wandering in Sinai or Joshua’s conquest of Canaan. On the alleged Temple of Solomon, Finkelstein said that there is no archaeological evidence to prove it really existed."
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140220-senior-israeli-archaeologist-casts-doubt-on-jewish-heritage-of-jerusalem/

  30. Except there are non Christian sources within first century. Also see this interesting Ehrman vid
    https://youtu.be/43mDuIN5-ww

  31. He seems to contradict himself because he in other places concludes Jesus did exist, he references the works of Paul and other people from around the first century to support this claim.

  32. What is the order of events here? We have this video, Ehrman's book on this topic, and Ehrman's decision to stonewall Carrier in discussions of this topic. Did Ehrman become historicist before writing the book, or did he become mythicist after writing it, or does he think there is a Jesus even without a historical record?

  33. All Religions are fictional, mythologies and fairytale and an amalgamation of various beliefs and traditions and Christianity is no different and Jesus is a fictional character and a part of Jewish traditions.

  34. You're a complete moron if you think what he is saying has any bearing on the existence of Jesus. His point about the scantness of extra-Biblical sources is that we don't have extra-Biblical sources about what Jesus did when he lived. It wasn't a claim that there was no extra-Biblical evidence that Jesus lived at all. This is why Christ mythicists aren't taken seriously. They have no idea how to interpret… well, anything really. Even the supposed best, Richard Carrier, has wacky interpretations of his sources that almost no scholar except for himself believes.

  35. ALLAH GOD ALMIGHTY SAYS IN THE LAST TESTAMENT THE HOLY QURAN : 4 / 171 – 172 :
    O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion : nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was ( no more than ) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him : so believe in God and His apostles.
    Say not " TRINITY " : desist : It will be better for you : For God is One God : Glory be to Him : ( Far Exalted is He ) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.
    Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship God, nor do the angels, those nearest ( to God ) : Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant, . . . . He will gather them all together unto Himself to ( answer ).

    NO TRINITY NO SON GOD BUT ONLY ONE TRUE GOD ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF ALL CREATION IN THE UNIVERSE. HE BEGETTS NOT NOR HE IS BEGOTTEN. WORSHIP HIM ALONE TO AVOID ♨ ♨ ♨ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

  36. lol sad religious fools. you wasted your only lives believing in lies. Are you really that cowardly that you cant face life without fairy tales?

  37. 💙💙💙💙💙💙 Hmmhhh,,,,,,,, ONCE. AGAIN. CHRISTIAN'S. FUCKED UP,,,,,,,, ?!? As Bart Said Jesus Existed,,,,, BUT. As Human Being,,,,, NOT AS GOD,,,,,, ?!? WHO MAKE HIM AS A GOD,,,,,!?! PAUL,,,,, FUCKED UP,,,,,, ADAPTED FRIM LOGOS PHYLOS,,,,,,, COME INTO FLESHY,,,,,, THIZ TIME. STARTED A FUCKED UP. CHRISTIANITY,,,,,,!?! GALATIA 3 : 13,,,,,, A MAN WHO DIED ON HUNG,CROSS,TREES. IS CURSED,,,,,,!?! Jesus is CURSED,,,,,!?! THE GOD IS CURSED,,,,,,!?!? FUCKIN,,,,,,, FUCKED AGAIN,,,,,!?! PRETTY. FOOLISH. CONCEPTS ,,,,,, MORELIKE. IDIOTS,,,,,!?!

  38. Christianity is a big Cult.Jesus,according to scripture said to Peter' upon you I shall build my church' but it was found out that Peter was Satan or Sa tan. Christians are a big Cult and funny because Christians think cults are bad-Oh ye hypocrites.

  39. "There is no non-Christian evidence from the first century of a historical Jesus"? What then do you make of Josephus, a non-christian, publishing his 'Antiquities of the Jews' in the first century, within which he discusses the martyrdom of not only Jesus, but Jesus' cousin, John the Baptist, and Jesus' brother, James???

  40. "None of the gospels claim to be written by eyewitnesses" -Bart Ehrman. Prof Ehrman, you have studied the gospels well. Surely you did not pass over the ending of John:

    "This (The one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true."

    or the beginning of Luke:

    "Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught."

  41. Its time religious people grew up and stopped worshiping and waiting for an imaginary super sky-fairy to one day magically solve all our problems for us. God needs to be put on the shelf next to Superman and Peter Pan.

  42. It means that Jesus was just a character and never existed ,majority of the reknown intellects are agree upon it.

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