Turkey Pulled Wagon? | Children Wagons | Engels Coach Shop


Last week I mentioned that over the past
years the parameter of what I work on has to be related to being drawn by a
draft animal, and a draft animal isn’t always a horse, it can be a mule, it can be
draft horse, it can be dogs, goats, and I mentioned I also did a little buggy that
could have been, or I don’t know for sure, it was pulled by turkeys, but there are a
number of internet sites that have pictures of children in small wagons
that were pulled by turkeys. And I have included four of these in the
description below, on the site here, that you can go look at. There’s a couple that
are very prominent and a couple that are maybe not quite so well known, but it’s
maybe worth checking out. Well the story behind this little wagon
that I built a number of years ago, an elderly gentleman stopped by and had
the remnants, in a box, of a small little children sized buggy, or wagon actually,
and he also had a picture of his grand-, no I think it was his father. It was his
father that was standing on this wagon when he was probably six, and remember
this gentleman was probably in his 70s at the time that he brought this little
wagon in. Well when his father would have been six, you know of course, this son now
wasn’t even in existence, so there’s another seventy …, you know so this buggy
was probably a hundred plus years old anyway,
do the math, whatever. And I’ve looked for that picture. I thought I had kept a copy
of it, but I haven’t been able to lay my hands on it. I was going to show it to
you. So anyway this gentleman comes up with this box of pieces and asked if I
would rebuild this. He wanted to keep this restored in memoriam for his father
when he young young child and like I say, he was
probably six in that picture and this son of that, of that young child, is now
70 somewhere. So this is a picture of this little wagon when I had finished it.
Well I also, by chance, a number of years ago had been offered to buy a similar
style little wagon that was found in the loft of a barn
when this ranch was for sale and this fella came in, he didn’t want it anymore,
and wanted to know if I would be interested in buying it. Well I was, and I
did, so this is the little wagon that I have here that I want to show you just
what this little wagon is like, today. So when I picked up this little
children’s wagon it didn’t have the original wheels with it. These are a
replacement wheels that I have put on it since, but if we look at it it is, style
wise, it’s very correct for the era. Remember last week we’re talking about
traditional versus homemade or original. Well this is a traditional style. I’m
gonna bring this up a little closer and see if you look at the standards, get
this over here little, these are the standards on this little wagon and it
has the little rings just like an old traditional style would, fully encased
with steel. The back bolster and reach comes through very similar to an old
style and if you look at this very closely you can see remnants of the
original paint but there’s also remnants of the striping pattern that was on here.
You can see it a little bit here. You can also see it here on this side so these
were, this was probably a carmine red with a black stripe even though it was a
children’s wagon the finish was done very correctly.
Now the the reach hound braces on this is a metal strap bolted in the center
and then to the back axle. Kind of more traditional for the children’s size and
then this piece here we would call the front axle hounds and if you remember
you have watched me make full-sized, one piece steam bent axle hounds and it also
has the stabilizer bar on it to keep the front axle from rolling out from
underneath it. It just rolls off my table saw here. The front standards, also built
correctly, and this is what swivels for the box when the axle turns,
and on the front bolster you can see a little more clearly the original stripe
pattern. It’s also down, you have stripes on these, zero this in, you see stripes
here, on the sand board. Then on the front of the front axle hounds is also a
little bolt that would be the queen bolt. The kingpin goes through the reach,
through the front axle, so as this front axle would turn it pivots on the
kingpin, just like a traditional wagon. For a tongue this is the tongue that
went with it and this queen bolt would come out, and you can see there’s a hole
here that the queen bolt goes through, so this tongue with the tongue hounds and
the tongue is also traditionally built and that’s what would pull this
little wagon. In the front of this tongue just has a little bar that could be
pulled by hand. Now this tongue I actually replaced because it was broken
off so it could have had different style of tongue and attachments, and in
these old pictures you’ll see they’re a little different when they hooked up to
a team or a pair of turkeys. Well when I acquired this wagon that came with a set
of shafts. These shafts could have hooked to maybe a miniature, possibly dog or
goat but these went on right where the tongue
attaches, attaching right where the Queen bolt
attached the tongue and if you notice back on the the picture of the small
wagon that I built for this 70 year old gentleman it also had original set of
shafts with that little wagon. So when I initially picked up this little
children’s wagon, like I say, it didn’t have the wheels with it. The wheels were
missing, but what it did have was a set of runners to be pulled as a bobsled, and
these runners would go on in replacement of the wheels. Now because, you know a
front wheel is smaller than the back wheel, and it has to do because of the
distance here in the fifth wheel assembly, well these runners are also
made fronts and rears. The rear set taller than the back so that the box
would stay level. I’m going to replace these and
this is how this wagon was originally when it was brought in to me. So these wheels would come off and the
runners go on in their place and the runners go on in their place. So this is how the chassis came when I
initially bought this little children’s wagon, but this was just the
undercarriage. It also came with the box. So this is the box that was on it when I
picked this little wagon up. So this is how this wagon showed up when I
initially acquired it. Operates as a little bobsled wagon. This still has the
original yellow wagon style stripe. It has the end rods similar to a traditional
style wagon. Now instead of these side boards being bolted on these have little
stake pockets so if this bolt here was removed these side boards would come off
and you would have a flatbed. On the end-gate this initially did have a rod going
across similar to the front panel but this one was gone so this back panel is
removable just like a traditional style wagon would be and then it would
rod would come across. It has a little damage to it, And the floors boards are just slats put in. They aren’t tongue and grooved like a regular grain wagon would
be but they run the same direction same style as a full-size traditional wagon. So if you happen to look at the pictures that are in the link below the
description you’ll notice that this is the same style wagon that’s in those
pictures that you’ll see a child hooked to, driving a pair of turkeys. Now they
don’t have sled runners in those pictures and that’s what’s a little
unique about this wagon is, I haven’t seen many, if any, that have runners to go
to those, so if we put the wheels back on here you’ll see that this is going to
look just like the pictures that you see on the internet with a child driving a
pair of turkeys. I’m gonna stick those on. So now you see this wagon looks just
like the pictures that you’ll see on the Internet of a little child driving a
pair of turkeys. So I thought maybe you would like to see an actual version of
what we see in some of these pictures that are by turkey’s. This is an original
old children’s style wagon. Now this is one of the benefits of doing what I do.
And the variety changes with each customer that walks through the door. So
this is kind of the opposite side of the spectrum from the big borax wagons that
you have watched me build. This is now, to a wagon that’s small enough that fits on
my table saw. So once again, thanks for watching! you

100 Replies to “Turkey Pulled Wagon? | Children Wagons | Engels Coach Shop”

  1. Thanks again for another type glimpse into the past. Also enjoyed the pictures of the native Canadians.

  2. 🤔 hmm why not build some kids wagons like these that a parent can pull around in the snow or just around the yard. I’d add some benches so the neighborhood kids can ride either use a miniature horse 🐴 till it gets tired then use a lawn tractor 🚜.

  3. Thank you for sharing.

    Hereabouts, the turkey aren't especially docile.

    Last fall, the highway patrol, along with the game & parks officials, had a problem with a tom that felt his territory included a 4-lane US Highway. In the old days, he'd just gotten rundown, but we live in more sensitive days.

    He and his flock were relocated to a state park. The TV crews loved it.

  4. My wife was watching with me and she said she would give her eye teeth for that wagon. I said she does not have enough eye teeth..Love that wagon.

  5. The Queen bold… King pin… for a little prins or princess 👑
    Amazing info as usual,, thank you again,, all the way from Amsterdam.

  6. Cute little wagon. Dave, if you tell me a rooster is going to pull a plow, I'm going to go get the harness! One thing about turkeys. Turkeys get mean and aggressive when they get mature. I have seen them attack a small child. After letting some get too big and too old a time or two I never felt bad about chopping their heads off for Thanksgiving again.

  7. Thanks, for showing this I've never seen anything like this before. I have been on a farm when I was younger only see the tradition larger wagons. I like to see you build a version of this and get turkeys to pull it or dog or the goats.

  8. Wouldn't that be something to have used as a child and then carry on the memory to tell the story…like Dave explains. Never heard of turkeys pulling a wagon, just the smaller 4 footed animals. Kind of cute but surely something that would make a memory for life.

  9. Super interesting opposite side of the spectrum from the large wagons. I've seen photos here and there of small wagons but this is the first time I've seen anything up close. Thank you once again.

  10. I’m from St.Paris Ohio. Pony wagon town. I remember some small wagons. But thats been 70 years ago. Your reproduction wheel are just perfect. Thanks for sharing.

  11. Interesting! If there were several that all look the same, it argues that it was probably a commercial product that you could buy for $15 or less at some point in time. I wonder who would have sold something like that? Sears? Monkey Ward?

  12. Thank you for showing us that amazing little wagon. The shop looks too clean, uncluttered and without active projects. Are you ok?

  13. i knew dogs were used as draft animals with the Belgian army using them in WWI to pull machine-gun and ammunition carts, but this one's new to me
    thanks for sharing this little bit of history with us

  14. Would that children’s wagon be home made or something that would have been purchased? Interesting,I seen children’s toys in paintings but never the real thing.👍

  15. Spent the whole video wanting to put chocks under the wheels to stop it rolling off the table saw. Absolutely fascinating – thank you!

  16. I saw a little wagon similar to yours in a museum in Maine and yes it had runners too. Thanks for your time.

  17. That was a nice one Dave, totally on the other side of the spectrum. As always nicely brought by you. Thanks again!

  18. When and where I grew up there were a lot of small farms that had old horse or cow pulled wagons. But: Those wagons were converted to be pulled by a tractor. If someone came to you with such a wagon, would you work on it?

  19. I always wondered why the front wheels were smaller, I just assumed it reduced the turning effort (less ground contact). Now I find out it is due to the engineering of the axle pivot. Another piece of interesting data slipped into flow. Thank you.

  20. Dave : If you look up in the 1920 Montgomery Wards Catalog # 93 on page # 512 you will find where your wagon came from!! It also so all of the accessories! It was called the Climax Farm wagon. the ad copy says its just like dad's. THANKS for all of your great videos. I learn something new with every one! Dan Hamilton

  21. i imagine getting two turkeys to pull steady and both in the same direction might be a challenge.as always though, an amazing video

  22. My father who was born in 1909 had one like this. It had a pole and shafts, an ornate body with seat. Instead of the steam bent bolster it had the square bolted type. My grandfather had made a more farm type body for it. My fathers mistake was letting us play with it and not properly care for it. Oh how smarter we get as we get older.

  23. I suppose nomad populations must have a more extended tradition with non-horse-pulled wagons. In the eighties in Belgium, I remember having seen a man traveling in his sleeping wagon pulled by 1 (big) dog, man happy, dog happy! In the nineties Belgium did allow "pulling-dogs" no more by law. For sure there exists mistreatment of pulling-animals, but there is also well threatened animals that enjoy it.

  24. That little wagon is absolutely amazing. Once you added the sled runners to it it reminded me of the sleds my Dad’s Dad made for us as kids back in the 60’s and 70’s. We called them our Newfie Sleds because they were miniature versions of the style of sled my Dad would pull behind his horse the get fire wood.

  25. Approximately what would be the scale of this children’s wagon – 1/3? 1/2?

    Wonderful video content as always – thanks so much for producing these!

  26. Well Mr. Dave it seems that you just might have a few TURKEYS running loose in your comment section today. I myself liked the comment about the turkeys driving the cars, how true how true. Have yourself a good one Mr. Dave and take some time to go fishing. R.A.

  27. Many thanks for answering with a full descriptive video and image links to my casual comment in the previous one! Greetings from Prague, Czech Republic!

  28. Would there be a demand to have such wagons built and how much would they cost people would be interested for sure .

  29. I saw a wagon of that size somewhere a few years back. I have no idea where it was but the detail was intriguing. Seems it was set up for winter use & the runners were installed. Man, miss one episode and you got it all changed up to children's toys ha ha.. Now I've got to back up & catch the missed video. Thanks for your video & knowage, you share. Always a winner. It's a pleasure to watch.

  30. And Wayne those turkeys are always on their damned celll phones , because their mom told them they are special. In our area the special kids get to wear hockey helmets on the short bus…HAL

  31. All joking aside.could you make a dog cart as most people cant afford horses?In eastern europe these are regular transport in small villages.
    Be great to see you use your skill and knowledge to make a lightweight buggy for the above
    Great videos
    Regards
    PS im in the UK

  32. I couldn't imagine what you were going to do as an encore to the borax water wagon. You managed to surprise us yet again. I just can't get over your depth of knowledge. Thank you once more for your generous sharing of your time and knowledge.

  33. Make a series of instructional videos showing us, the great YouTube unwashed, how to make one.
    Wouldn't have worked for a Borax Wagon, but I reckon we could tackle something like this 🙂

  34. This is One of the reasons I watch this channel – educated about the past with the soft touch. Something learned again ~ kids wagons pulled by turkeys….them gobbler kind though

  35. Your company motto could be "From wagons that fit in your pickup truck to wagons that can haul your pickup truck!"

  36. Fascinating, I think you could of named this "How Wagon's Work" as by you walking us through this wagon you showed us the components that make these wagons tick. Design wise they were pretty damn brilliant. Glad your bringing back the majesty to these wonderful tools that should never be forgotten, as we no doubt will need them once again if only for inspiration!

  37. It's all fun and games until the turkeys get a fright and take to the wing.
    The ancient Maori in New Zealand used to draw their battle wagons with teams of moa,a 12 ft tall, 510 lb breed of turkey. They used to have problems with potholes ,though. That is why most potholes in NZ have moa bones at the bottom.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa

  38. Thanks for all the great videos you post. If you have the opportunity could you show how you would set a solid rubber tire in a metal rim on a wooden wheel. Your thoughts on history and tradition appreciated.
    Kind regards
    Chris – UK

  39. if you had said that turkeys were used to pull wagons and not shown your wagon along with them pics i would have never believed you thats just awesome

  40. WOW!!!! That is neat!!!! The detail in that lil guy, just like the real ones I have been watching you build…. I am wondering, and anybody can answer this question, the opposite end of the tailgate, why is that taller then the back and sides? I assume that would or could be called a "balkhead" or "headache rack" of sorts? Does the box fit the other way around and the tall end maybe act as a seat back rest?… Or, maybe the short end was once just as tall as the front gate?… Either way, I am blown away at the age of this and who well it has been kept, and most of all, how dinky it is. Thank you for showing this, I now have to figure some things out, as my daughter now thinks she needs one of these, LOL… I enjoyed this one, just as much as the other informational videos. Just neat!!!!

  41. Well, I just went and looked up "Turkey drawn wagons"…. Ummm, wow, by the size of those turkeys, I would have to guess, that just one of those massive turkeys could pull a 60 bottom plow, LOL… Me being a city guy, born and raised in the city, I don't know much about farming and the like, but I don't think I have ever seen turkeys this big, by today's standards? Please note, turkey's might be bigger then then, I really have no clue, but the ones in the pictures, (to me) look massive. I do have to ask, how to they control the turkey's to drive and turn around corners? With the closest thing I have ever seen of this type of mobility, is my areas horse drawn buggies and trailers by the Amish folks, and it appears to me, that they steer the horse(s) by means of the rigging on the horse's heads, and just the lightest nudge on either side of the horse's head from the straps, communicates to the horse what direction you as the rider desires to go… these turkeys do not have any head gear on to know how to change directions the little kids desire to go…. So how did they tell the chickens to go, stop, turn left and right? anybody may answer this… Or have I over thought this video out, as I have the others, LOL?… as this is just a photo scene type thing, and these wagons were actually really only pulled by 4 legged critters like dogs and goats and baby horses? I certainly hope I don't look like a silly fool…. Again…. LOL… either way, still a really neat little wagon. Thank you.

  42. When looking at like images of the ones you posted, I found one wagon with runners and a child dressed as Santa

  43. I remember the old 20 turkey team wagons, they hauled gold ore.
    And the piece you have there is absolutely amazing 👍🏻
    Brilliant 👍🏻

  44. Interesting. One of the links mentions a kids wagon pulled by an Alligator!! Haha how times have changed. Thanks for sharing

  45. What are the rings in the standards for? My Dad his brothers had a wagon like that, with the right and left hand threaded axle ends. It is still in the family, and over 100 years old, still in great shape.

  46. Buenos días, podría subtitular en Español, le estaría muy agradecido, soy un profundo admirador de sus trabajos. gracias.

  47. Well, i'll be. But then again Turkeys are quite strong birds, i remember i used to have to wrestle them over at grandma's place whenever they'd get rowdy with the chickens. Now i'm bummed, wish it would've crossed my mind to get them to pull the old baby tram we had and pulled ourselves as kids. :))

  48. This is very cool !!! As smart as I think I am, I knew none of this…. Thanks again for another great watch !! Your friend here in south west Michigan, Cliff

  49. Apparently "Pappy" Boyington, the inspiration for the Black Sheep Squadron TV show back when I was but a twinkle in my parents' eyes, was pulled in a vehicle not too dissimilar than this one. I can't really tell what kind of animal it is, I'll guess it's a dog, but the world can take a look at 5:03 of the following link to add one more example of a small livestock wagon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQt292MyPvM

  50. Pretty cool. I didn't know they had such a thing. I guess when we were more rural they made use of everything. Thank you for the lesson and links.

  51. A fascinating wagon and thank you for sharing such a detailed overview of it, as well as the links to the images. In subsequent searches I also came across some examples of similar ostrich-drawn wagons(a google image search for ostrich drawn wagon should yield several results)

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